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Permalink Reply by Steven Parker on April 10, 2009 at 22:33
Permalink Reply by Sonali Engineer on April 11, 2009 at 12:01
Permalink Reply by Steven Parker on April 14, 2009 at 21:22
Permalink Reply by Bhupesh gupta on April 15, 2009 at 9:10
Permalink Reply by Steven Parker on April 15, 2009 at 18:09 steven parker,
let's start by calling a spade a spade!
i went through all the blogs that are mentioned on this thread and i found them lacking in guts in some cases to completely oblivious of facts or comfortably numb in other the last one kapil chopra's blog where he is totally over-board on contemporaries and seems quite fixed with t.v.santosh'es of the world !
the tilt towards peter nagy stable is un-mistakable but it's indeed shocking the way he percieves that moderns are a thing of the past by completely dismissing them........ they can't be trashed and their contribution is unmistakable in providing the platform on which these over hyped t.v. santoshes.... subodh gupta's and many of the cult figures were riding not so long ago!
THERE WAS A CONCERTED EFFORT BY VESTED INTRESTS (READ CONTEMPORARY ART CARTELS) IN PROPELLING THIS MISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN THAT THE MARKET OF MODERNS WAS SATURATED AND TOP HEAVY AND THERE IS NO GROWTH LEFT IN THEM !
THESE WINE AND CHEESE CULTURE CLUB CZARS TRIED TO DICTATE THE COURSE OF INDIAN ART MARKET FOR A BRIEF PERIOD AND SUCCEDED AS WELL IN TRYING TO CREATE A PARRALLEL MARKET BUT WHEN SCEPTICS LIKE ME STARTED CRYING HOARSE SOME SANITY PREVAILED ....... MANIPULATIONS DON'T LAST LONG!
every body now a days pushes through their own breed of artists due to lack of regulation in the art-mart !
when you are part of the system which is self sustaining the quid pro quo can't be denied and overlooked! i repeat there is no place where you can get un-biased or honest appraisals regarding the works of art ........... everybody is grinding their own axe and dishes out crap valuations in hoping to make a kill !
there is a dearth of expierienced people associated with art to run the show the knowlegable one's are used as trophy's and screen savers only no active participation for them maybe clinking of glasses once in a while !
naturally this upsets people like me no end who buy their own scoth and have to fend for themselves ....... no sponsors so far !
Permalink Reply by Bhupesh gupta on April 15, 2009 at 21:06 I don't know if anyone has an axe to grind but you definately have, I have never encountered such views in a discussion but then I clicked on your page and found that you are quite a wheeler dealer character sitting with a pile of modern artists that you have been pushing for a while, also you need some lessons in being part of a discussion forum. You are not being objective but being rigid about your view on moderns, read my review once again. I have said that these are the blogs I like, did I say that you also have to like them ? Also, let me advise you that my collection in the modern space can better most of the collector base that you have, not yours as you are most likely a dealer.
I also said that the blog is tilted towards contemporary art so what's wrong with that, tell gagosian to go and buy the moderns ! Its a view, read the blog if you like contemporary art or go and sell your moderns but appreciate the effort instead of criticising, what have you done in the art world that people should listen to you and I read in one of the posts, why did you buy Justin when you were so inclined towards Moderns ? again to criticise I think. Also cut out the exclamations and write like an adult in the spirit of discussion.
Also my view on the moderns is that buy quality, most of the works being peddled are mediocre and I would not touch them, so unless I get a quality work on the moderns I would just let it pass and buy a good contemporary artist, as I dont have distinctions between contemporary and moderns, I buy what I like.
So, even I say avoid the moderns as good quality works are hardly available and I get a mail daily on mediocre works with prices that are still too high,so sorry Mr. Dealer, avoid the moderns from my side also, buy from an auction with proven authenticity and good quality.
Signing off mate and take it easy .....
Steve
Bhupesh gupta said:steven parker,
let's start by calling a spade a spade!
i went through all the blogs that are mentioned on this thread and i found them lacking in guts in some cases to completely oblivious of facts or comfortably numb in other the last one kapil chopra's blog where he is totally over-board on contemporaries and seems quite fixed with t.v.santosh'es of the world !
the tilt towards peter nagy stable is un-mistakable but it's indeed shocking the way he percieves that moderns are a thing of the past by completely dismissing them........ they can't be trashed and their contribution is unmistakable in providing the platform on which these over hyped t.v. santoshes.... subodh gupta's and many of the cult figures were riding not so long ago!
THERE WAS A CONCERTED EFFORT BY VESTED INTRESTS (READ CONTEMPORARY ART CARTELS) IN PROPELLING THIS MISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN THAT THE MARKET OF MODERNS WAS SATURATED AND TOP HEAVY AND THERE IS NO GROWTH LEFT IN THEM !
THESE WINE AND CHEESE CULTURE CLUB CZARS TRIED TO DICTATE THE COURSE OF INDIAN ART MARKET FOR A BRIEF PERIOD AND SUCCEDED AS WELL IN TRYING TO CREATE A PARRALLEL MARKET BUT WHEN SCEPTICS LIKE ME STARTED CRYING HOARSE SOME SANITY PREVAILED ....... MANIPULATIONS DON'T LAST LONG!
every body now a days pushes through their own breed of artists due to lack of regulation in the art-mart !
when you are part of the system which is self sustaining the quid pro quo can't be denied and overlooked! i repeat there is no place where you can get un-biased or honest appraisals regarding the works of art ........... everybody is grinding their own axe and dishes out crap valuations in hoping to make a kill !
there is a dearth of expierienced people associated with art to run the show the knowlegable one's are used as trophy's and screen savers only no active participation for them maybe clinking of glasses once in a while !
naturally this upsets people like me no end who buy their own scoth and have to fend for themselves ....... no sponsors so far !
Permalink Reply by Bhupesh gupta on April 16, 2009 at 6:48 Well said Steve!!
Indeed the views expressed by a certain Mr. Bhupesh Gupta are over the top, almost bordering on hysteria. I see no reason why a blog on Contemporary art should evoke such a shrill response. The blogs mentioned by me in the post are those which I like and there is absolutely no complusion that others have to like them too. We can do well without these incoherent ramblings.
Permalink Reply by Steven Parker on April 16, 2009 at 22:35
Permalink Reply by Bhupesh gupta on April 17, 2009 at 7:05 Well, you seem to be like a pig in a garbage dump, people like you need to be kicked before they learn, here everyone is sharing information and just telling you to shut up and get out of this discussion forum. We dont want to buy your modern artists and not from you, so go and kill yourself.
Looked at some of your other posts, you are a ridiculous person with absurd logic and always ready to fight, completely illogical personality, forcing his views in every post and discussion. Just mind your own stupid wheeler dealer business, hate guys like you just trying to con people into buying shit they bought at nil prices, hang your Justin on your head !
Sumit, keep on posting, guys like him suffer from a complex, lets see what he writes next...
Signing off mate...
Steve
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